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A lot of people feel
like the police don't really care,
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about murders
within the urban communities.
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But this should've been different.
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This is a person who people idolize.
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You're talkin' 'bout a man
who's affected millions of people.
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He was a larger-than-life figure,
he was Jam Master Jay, ya know,
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from the world famous Run-DMC group.
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Run-DMC was like the Beatles.
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They was the pioneers, the first to go
platinum, the first on Rolling Stone,
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they was the first of everything.
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Groups within hip-hop would not be
as popular and signature,
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if it wasn't for Run-DMC
and Jam Master Jay.
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Jay was the one who made
the beats, who kept the party going.
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He's the one that hyped them up,
spinnin' and cuttin'.
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He really cut the records
to heighten the poetry.
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Jay was a one man band,
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and he was the greatest that ever did it.
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Jason William Mizell,
AKA Jam Master Jay,
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was gunned down last night.
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Police say two men buzzed into Mizell's
studio shot and killed--
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Whoever was in the studio, at the time,
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they are the only five
that know who killed my brother.
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We had 50, 60 different tips,
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all takin' some totally different angles
on what occurred.
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{\an8} There was a feeling that
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{\an8}the security cameras
had been tampered with.
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{\an8} If I gotta go through
every borough, every street, every block,
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{\an8}I'ma find out who killed Jay.
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People feel like it's an inside job,
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which is why they point back
to the people who was within that studio.
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{\an8}Yes, there were a number of individuals,
who would probably know,
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{\an8}exactly what happened, but...
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{\an8}you know the Tupac's
and the Biggie Smalls'...
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{\an8}these are all unsolved crimes,
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- and the feeling is that,
-
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...the police don't really care.
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Urban communities,
they don't trust the police at all.
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{\an8}What could he have done...
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{\an8}that make you want to erase him
from the earth?
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I'm having a hard time understanding why.
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{\an8}New York City on the verge of bankruptcy.
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New York City got the word
today, from President Ford,
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"Default if you must,
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but don't expect help
from the Federal Government."
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I am prepared to veto any bill,
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that has as its purpose,
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a federal bailout of New York City
to prevent a default.
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If the Federal Government
does not help us,
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it will find the problem afterwards,
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which it would have to help us with,
much more serious.
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Services in the city are being slashed.
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Reports of violent crime are on the rise.
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You know I can't walk in the streets
no more 'cause I might get shot now.
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Middle-class residents
are fleeing to the suburbs,
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while working class black families
take their place in the boroughs.
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{\an8} Hollis, Queens was a lower
middle class neighborhood.
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{\an8}People moved from the hood to Hollis.
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{\an8}Right? Seeking a better life.
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I remember moving in,
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and I remember the last white family
on the block moving out within a week.
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Hollis, probably was
about one mile in each direction.
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We was a little community.
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{\an8}We was one strip, we was one avenue,
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{\an8}but we had a global reputation,
like Bed-Stuy do or die.
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All the kids around the hood,
that hung up on Hollis Avenue,
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those kids became the Hollis Crew.
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And Jay was in the center
of the Hollis Crew.
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{\an8}Some of the names of the Hollis Crew
members would, be Randy Allen.
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{\an8}Randy Allen was a friend of ours
that grew up on two, third with us.
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{\an8}We all grew up on 203rd street
and Jay was a part of that.
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{\an8}Big D, Big D was a good friend of mine.
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{\an8}We were like family,
he's like my older brother.
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{\an8}Big D and Jay, they lived
right across the street from each other.
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Hurricane, right? DJ Hurricane.
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{\an8}If any problems would come,
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{\an8}from other people
outside the neighborhood,
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you know, then we would all form
like Voltron...
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and get together,
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and protect the neighborhood.
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As street as Jay was,
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he was good.
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He was kinda the peacekeeper,
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you wouldn't get your money taken from you
if Jay was around.
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So you always hoped,
when you went to the party Jay was there.
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Drugs came to Hollis around 1984.
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Fat Cat and Ken "Supreme" McGriff,
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one of the notorious drug dealers
in South Jamaica Queens,
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and I was actually a part
of Fat Cat's crew.
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We started off by selling coke.
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I made a ton of money at a young age,
I was a part of something...
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that it was like family!
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And it felt good because, don't forget,
half of us didn't have dads.
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Mom having to work,
leaving the kids to fend for themselves.
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You know how they say, "An idle mind
is the devil's workshop"? That's true.
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The drug dealers on the corners
was our friends, was our homies.
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{\an8}Those was our cousins,
those was our brothers.
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{\an8}You know, but the police,
was the guys who we knew,
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who were going after them.
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They were putting them in jail,
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you know, they were trying to,
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take their lives away from them.
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Now I'm not saying
that these individuals were innocent,
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but it definitely,
has always been looked upon,
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like the police didn't help.
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That was really
just embedded in our minds,
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you know, like, as early as when
we was eight, nine years old.
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{\an8}They all went to jail from some dumb mess,
you know?
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{\an8}They was out there,
trying to make their money.
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{\an8}Selling drugs and whatever.
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{\an8}Jay's best friend Randy, was in jail
for a long time.
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{\an8}But Jason never went to jail.
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As a man, you don't never
wanna disappoint your mother.
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I never knew Jay to have a dad,
but I think what made Jay successful,
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was his mother's upbringing, you know?
She was a teacher.
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She taught.
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That's what she did 24/7 taught him.
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It showed through his work ethic.
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Jason was always a beautiful child.
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{\an8}He always loved the music.
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{\an8}If he got two pencils,
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{\an8}he was making sounds.
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{\an8}You know, he made music,
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{\an8}outta ordinary things,
things that you didn't expect.
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He had my pans.
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He'd be beatin' a tune you know?
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My brother knew how to play a guitar...
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{\an8}and I knew he was going to play the drums
'cause I've seen him play the drums.
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I'd say he was about what, 13?
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When he was doin' the turntable thing,
learnin' how to DJ...
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and break them tables,
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my mother go right back
and buy him another set.
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You know? Constantly.
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♪ Broken glass, everywhere ♪
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♪ People pissin' on the stage
Ya know, they just don't care ♪
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Around that time,
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hip-hop kids created something
that suited them.
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They built their own music...
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because they felt locked out.
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Like the blues, and jazz,
and rock and roll,
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were expressions of people who felt
like they weren't part of the culture.
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Hip-hop was manufactured by,
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the tools, that wasn't supplied to us.
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We would have block parties, you know,
plug our equipment into street lights.
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There was just a way
to get people together, to congregate,
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and just to really have a good time
and just to celebrate music.
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Back then, rap music was on the uprise.
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A lot of people might have,
a couple of turntables and a mixer,
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Jay was one of them.
Jay liked to DJ, in his house.
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Jay was really on point,
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with stopping a record,
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on a dime,
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and then bring it back in.
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No one is mistake-free, but he was very...
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very little mistakes.
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Everybody started in their house.
'Cause you wanna practice, you know?
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Then you take it to the park.
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Jamaica Park,
is where all the parties went down.
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Before we met Jay,
Run was going to be a solo artist.
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Run was a rapper and a DJ,
before rap records happened.
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'77, '78, he was the DJ son
of Kurtis Blow.
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He himself had been a DJ of course,
DJ Run.
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Me and Run made 'It's Like That'
and 'Sucker MC's,'
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our first record, without Jay.
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Once we got the deal and the record
started to get a little buzz,
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it was time for us to go do live shows.
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And Russell, Run's brother said,
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"Y'all got to do these performances
you'll need a DJ,"
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and Run was like,
"Woah, I didn't think about that part."
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Run was tellin' me,
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"We gonna have to do a show.
What are we gonna do?"
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{\an8}I already had turntables and records,
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{\an8}and equipment already.
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{\an8}So, we just put together a little routine,
couple of routines.
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They made the song in '82,
and we started moving early '83.
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When we pulled up,
to pick him up,
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for our first show in New York City,
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he came out his front door he had on,
a black Run-DMC Godfather hat,
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he had on a black Adidas jacket,
with the three stripes,
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he had on white Adidas Shell Toes,
with the black stripe
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and he had no laces in 'em,
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and the tongues of the sneakers'
was sticking up like tombstones.
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Like it was sticking up in the air
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and Russell had been telling us for weeks,
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"Y'all need a wardrobe,
y'all need a wardrobe."
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Before Russell could utter it,
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"Yo, there goes...
Yo, that's our wardrobe."
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So, from that day on,
we had to actually go shopping with Jay.
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If you look at the early days
of Run and D,
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they had on these plaid jackets with
these turtlenecks and afros.
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{\an8}And then if you see it with Jay,
everything changed.
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♪ Now we're Run-DMC
And we like to rap ♪
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♪ And the reason that we do it
Is to make you clap ♪
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Jay was very street and a lot of,
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what is in that community,
is the hood culture.
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They were already wearing shell toes
with no laces,
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and backwards hats and, you know,
all that stuff comes from jail.
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So, that vibe,
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that was an honest...
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that was a look at the culture.
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So he brought them another layer
of authenticity.
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♪ I want y'all to know one thing
This is my House... ♪
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Now we doin' these shows,
but we had a problem,
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'cause Jay wanted to be Jazzy Jay,
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and in hip-hop you can't be a copycat.
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So I said, okay, his name is Jason,
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I break it down, it starts with a J,
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I don't want him to be Grandmaster,
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cuz you already got Grandmaster Flash
and Grandmaster Caz.
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So the next day Jay comes and I'm like,
"Yo, Jay I got your name."
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He goes "Word, okay. What's my name?"
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I'm like, "You ready? Drum roll...
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You're gonna be the Jam Master Jay."
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And Jay was like,
he flipped his collar up, "Jam."
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He got souped. He was like,
"I'm the Jam Master Jay."
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Like, before the crew even comes out,
before Run and D even comes out,
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he goes out there,
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and he lets them know,
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who the fuck he is.
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"Before I bring them out,
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let me let y'all know who I am.
Say my name.
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Jam Master Jay."
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- "What's my name?"
- "Jam Master Jay."
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- "I can't hear you."
- "Jam Master Jay."
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- I can't hear you.
- Jam Master Jay.
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- A little bit louder.
- Jam Master Jay.
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- One more time.
- Jam Master Jay.
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Back then, the DJ was quiet.
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The MCs were out the front,
the DJ was just in the back.
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They were hardly getting recognition.
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Jay made that position,
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right, just as important as the MC's.
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So he became a celebrity as well.
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Most DJs when they get in,
they get a gimmick
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and you get dancers,
you get all this Hollywood stuff.
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We didn't change
to fit into show business.
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Jay took the park parties
and the street parties,
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and put it on stage.
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To the world it was new,
'cause they hadn't ever seen it.
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That's what made him a pioneer.
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♪ Now DJ Run's my name ♪
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♪ Jam Master Jay, is his ♪
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♪ -He's DMC
- It's like that ♪
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♪ And that's the way it is ♪
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It's always gonna be
the three of us, you know?
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Two turntables and two microphones.
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The band is just there, for a look,
you know?
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It's just where we trying to come from,
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to show that we can relate with that also.
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But in reality it's all about the street.
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♪ We do it in the place
With the highs and the bass ♪
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♪ He's rockin' to the rhythm
Won't ya watch it on his face ♪
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♪ Go up-town and come down to the ground ♪
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♪ -Sucker MCs
- You a sad face clown ♪
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They blew up because they made
this honest record that touched a nerve.
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Those records were made for the street
without regard for the mainstream.
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When the mainstream heard it,
they was shocked.
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And they did things that no one ever did.
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First Rolling Stone, first gold,
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first platinum, first double platinum,
triple p... all that.
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You know Run-DMC was the first people
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to get a major endorsement from a sneaker.
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We ain't even talkin' about athletes,
we're talkin' rappers.
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And actually before their time,
they were like rock stars.
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Hence the reason why they did the song
with Aerosmith.
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Aerosmith was like a real '70s,
really hot, rock band.
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And they had a real successful song,
called 'Walk This Way.'
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Run-DMC, covered Aerosmith's
'Walk This Way,'
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in a way that no other rap group
could've done.
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So, Jay put his spin on the...
you know, put his spin on the track.
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And Run and D, they just took the lyrics
and made 'em real hip-hopish.
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There was never no hip-hop
and rock collabos. That never happened.
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♪ Walk this way ♪
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♪ Talk this way ♪
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What Run-DMC did,
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was brand new
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and opened up a universe
and it changed the world.
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They had a white following, but nothing
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to the level of once they came out with
'Walk This Way.'
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{\an8}And it gave them
international super-stardom, definitely.
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Jay made money, absolutely!
283
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And he would definitely share his money,
when he got it.
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Like, he really wanted
everybody to do well.
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He really helped everybody out,
that he could help.
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One Christmas he bought five cars.
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He bought all of us cars.
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♪ Merry Christmas
And happy New Year ♪
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He went through Hollis
delivering gifts to everybody,
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and that's where they get
their Christmas in Hollis.
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♪ It's Christmas time in Hollis, Queens
Mom cookin' chicken and collared greens ♪
292
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♪ Rice and stuffin'
Macaroni and cheese ♪
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Jay was a giver.
The Hollis Crew traveled everywhere.
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You know, they took drug dealers
off the street
295
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and they went around the world with them
as security
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or whatever role they could get.
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{\an8}Darren Jordan aka Big D, and Randy,
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{\an8}Jay helped tremendously.
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Randy was a stick-up kid,
that came from robbin' Wonder Bread trucks
300
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and Hostess Cupcake trucks,
301
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that used to deliver to the local bodega.
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Randy would rob that person. 600, 700.
Yeah, I remember these things vividly.
303
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But Jay loved 'em above all of that
and put 'em on
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and brought 'em up outta obscurity.
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As a community, as a race,
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there wasn't really too many things
that we could say we had as our own,
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you know, for us, the people
who we looked up to was the rappers.
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{\an8}Those were the people who we could relate
to the most
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{\an8}because these were the people
who we saw walkin' around.
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{\an8}You know, who came from the same element
that we did.
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Which was ground-zero, the streets,
you know what I'm sayin'?
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And they went to a certain point
and made things better for themselves.
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They put themselves in a position
to be able to take care of their families.
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And they just created this path
of motivation and hope for us.
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♪ DJ ♪
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Run-DMC was very,
kinda like, happy rappers.
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They were very happy
and poetic and articulate.
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Not violent.
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That was hip-hop, 1983, '84.
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Run-DMC wasn't Gangsta.
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In the mid-eighties
towards the late-eighties,
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hip-hop had began to take a left turn.
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Hip-hop artists,
they were using their voices,
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to start messaging about
the increasing racial tension,
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that had been goin' on
within the communities.
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And over the course of the years,
you know,
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hip-hop just got more and more aggressive.
328
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1988.
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Run-DMC started fading.
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When Run-DMC started fading,
the entrepreneurial spirit, in Jason,
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wanted to have a bigger role
in the music industry
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and hip-hop as a whole.
So he started JMJ Records.
333
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Which is Jam Master Jay Records.
334
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I worked for JMJ, I was
East Coast Promotion Manager for Jay.
335
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Jay's studio wasn't in Hollywood.
336
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Jay's studio wasn't in Manhattan.
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Jay's studios was 5 minutes
from where he grew up.
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He made it out,
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came back and put his roots,
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and opened the door,
so everybody else could follow him.
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♪ And if you ain't know player
Now you know ♪
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♪ I'm Jam Master Jay
This is how I flow ♪
343
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He got with Onyx,
he did The Afros,
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he discovered 50 Cent.
345
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There it is, like, it's crazy.
He discovered 50 Cent.
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♪ People know who I am
Everywhere that I go ♪
347
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♪ Whether I'm dressed like a star
Or a regular Joe... ♪
348
00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:07,959
50 Cent is considered one of the most
successful artists
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out of Queens and New York City alone,
within the rap game.
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00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:14,218
Jay was significant, you know?
351
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He had three children
352
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and he had his mother,
then his brother Marvin,
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then he had his sister Bonita,
then he had his nephew.
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And then he had Randy,
and then Randy's family.
355
00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:24,353
He was helping a lot of people.
356
00:18:24,478 --> 00:18:26,605
He took care of quite a few of the fellas.
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Did they need a new outfit?
He had money, he bought it.
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He didn't change,
he didn't let the fame change him
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00:18:32,486 --> 00:18:34,154
and that was one thing I liked about him.
360
00:18:34,613 --> 00:18:36,615
You know, people, they love Jay,
people love Jay.
361
00:18:37,157 --> 00:18:39,243
You know, that's why,
I can't believe what happened.
362
00:18:39,785 --> 00:18:41,578
This was very haunting, you know?
363
00:18:50,337 --> 00:18:51,505
It's raining that night.
364
00:18:51,755 --> 00:18:52,714
It's cold.
365
00:18:52,881 --> 00:18:54,591
It was a cold rain that night.
366
00:18:56,385 --> 00:18:57,926
I was in jail. I was in prison.
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00:18:57,927 --> 00:19:00,597
I was just really,
just starting a 10 year sentence.
368
00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:02,015
I was home.
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00:19:02,891 --> 00:19:03,892
I was in Atlanta.
370
00:19:04,476 --> 00:19:05,978
I remember the night perfectly.
371
00:19:06,395 --> 00:19:08,854
I turned the news on, ten o'clock news.
372
00:19:08,855 --> 00:19:10,981
At this point nobody
can say why this happened...
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Jam Master Jay...
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There was a rumor all across
The United States and Europe,
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00:19:15,444 --> 00:19:17,906
that Jam Master Jay got shot and killed
in the studio.
376
00:19:18,115 --> 00:19:20,659
I remember trying to call everybody,
for like...
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00:19:20,951 --> 00:19:22,327
I called Jay, of course.
378
00:19:22,536 --> 00:19:26,496
About 10 times, he wasn't picking up.
So I start getting a little nervous...
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00:19:26,497 --> 00:19:28,123
Then I turned it to PIX 11...
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{\an8}We are live at Jamaica Queens tonight.
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37 year old, Jam Master Jay,
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was gunned down
while inside a Jamaica Queens...
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00:19:34,547 --> 00:19:36,633
I remember having
the worst stomach ache, right,
384
00:19:37,259 --> 00:19:38,427
right after that, so...
385
00:19:39,636 --> 00:19:41,511
My stomach just started killing me.
386
00:19:41,512 --> 00:19:44,391
So I turned to channel two,
"Jam Master Jay shot and killed."
387
00:19:45,392 --> 00:19:47,603
By the time I come back to the studio,
388
00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:49,521
everybody's outside.
389
00:19:49,813 --> 00:19:51,523
The news done spread out.
390
00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:55,861
I'm like, I'm telling a cop, who I am...
391
00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:59,156
and I just wanna know one question,
is he dead?
392
00:20:08,665 --> 00:20:11,082
They called me on the phone and said that,
393
00:20:11,083 --> 00:20:12,542
"Oh I heard that Jason got killed."
394
00:20:12,543 --> 00:20:14,463
I was like, "who the hell is this?"
395
00:20:14,838 --> 00:20:16,715
"Who is this? No he didn't!"
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{\an8} On Wednesday night
in Jamaica Queens,
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{\an8}one or two men
were buzzed into Jam Master Jay's studio,
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00:20:23,138 --> 00:20:24,890
{\an8}real name, Jason Mizell,
399
00:20:25,098 --> 00:20:26,389
the disc-jockey of rap group--
400
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:29,436
Then they showed a scene
of the body-bag carried down the steps.
401
00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:31,269
And when I knew it was true was,
402
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:33,230
as soon as me and my wife pulled up,
403
00:20:33,231 --> 00:20:35,484
I saw Chuck D of Public Enemy,
404
00:20:35,817 --> 00:20:37,567
and Ed Lover crying like babies.
405
00:20:37,568 --> 00:20:39,988
And I never saw 'em cry.
I'm talkin' about babies.
406
00:20:40,322 --> 00:20:42,157
So that's when I knew Jay got shot.
407
00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:46,078
I took my cell phone and I fucking...
408
00:20:47,204 --> 00:20:49,790
demolished it, on my fucking floor.
409
00:20:51,541 --> 00:20:53,168
Til it was fuckin' pieces,
410
00:20:53,502 --> 00:20:55,293
and I started crying
411
00:20:55,294 --> 00:20:58,048
and my kids is like,
"Mommy what's wrong with Daddy?"
412
00:20:58,257 --> 00:20:59,758
Then I had to get it together,
413
00:21:00,092 --> 00:21:02,636
and I just went up-stairs in my room,
and closed the door.
414
00:21:03,220 --> 00:21:04,221
So...
415
00:21:05,222 --> 00:21:06,473
I couldn't sleep all night.
416
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,557
I couldn't believe it.
417
00:21:07,766 --> 00:21:08,600
Shocked,
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00:21:09,101 --> 00:21:10,310
er... sad,
419
00:21:10,769 --> 00:21:12,229
tear, you know?
420
00:21:12,729 --> 00:21:14,896
My man, my friend Jason? No.
421
00:21:14,897 --> 00:21:17,651
Jay was like a Godfather from Hollis.
422
00:21:17,901 --> 00:21:19,653
You know what I'm sayin'?
That's just like...
423
00:21:20,737 --> 00:21:23,365
in fuckin' The Godfather,
if the Godfather got shot,
424
00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:27,035
everybody else want to know,
well, who the fuck was with him?
425
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,578
How'd you let him get shot?
426
00:21:28,829 --> 00:21:30,122
You know what I'm saying? So...
427
00:21:30,414 --> 00:21:31,788
that's how I seen it, you know?
428
00:21:31,789 --> 00:21:34,418
It's like, yo, who the fuck is with him?
How'd you let him get shot?
429
00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:39,589
To know that you disliked my child so much
that you can shoot him,
430
00:21:40,424 --> 00:21:44,136
that was hard,
it's still hard for me to accept.
431
00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:46,888
I would love to be livin' and find out.
432
00:21:48,056 --> 00:21:49,391
And just look at them.
433
00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:51,852
I wouldn't want to say nothing to them.
434
00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:55,605
Because, maybe some things,
I'm not supposed to know.
435
00:22:00,569 --> 00:22:03,613
Jay was killed like,
off of Jamaica Ave, in Queens.
436
00:22:04,906 --> 00:22:07,743
{\an8}The most popular strip,
in the entire borough.
437
00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:11,163
You have a police station
right across the street
438
00:22:11,621 --> 00:22:15,417
and there were five people, you know,
who were present inside that studio,
439
00:22:15,959 --> 00:22:18,045
that was outfitted with security cameras.
440
00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:20,380
This happened right here in my backyard.
441
00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:23,675
You know? And it just, felt like, damn!
442
00:22:24,509 --> 00:22:26,762
Like, you know,
why does this keep happening?
443
00:22:27,929 --> 00:22:30,849
Biggie Smalls was killed, you know,
similarly like with Tupac.
444
00:22:31,141 --> 00:22:33,516
We always felt like,
they were so protected,
445
00:22:33,517 --> 00:22:35,352
that nothing could happen to them.
446
00:22:35,353 --> 00:22:37,979
They were like our Supermen,
they were our superheroes, you know?
447
00:22:37,980 --> 00:22:39,064
Superheroes don't die.
448
00:22:40,107 --> 00:22:42,861
These are all unsolved crimes
and the feeling is that,
449
00:22:43,236 --> 00:22:44,738
the police don't really care.
450
00:22:44,863 --> 00:22:46,988
They look at it, as like,
"Let them kill each other."
451
00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:52,077
The faith within the urban community,
452
00:22:52,078 --> 00:22:54,120
as a whole, in government
453
00:22:54,121 --> 00:22:56,208
and law enforcement,
has definitely decreased.
454
00:22:56,917 --> 00:22:58,710
One of my biggest fears was that,
455
00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:01,129
Jay's case could be swept under the rug.
456
00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:04,714
I had a newborn son
and I remember thinking to myself,
457
00:23:04,715 --> 00:23:07,719
over and over again,
that something had to change.
458
00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:12,182
I wanted to show that we can shape
a better world for our kids.
459
00:23:12,516 --> 00:23:14,434
That it could definitely be,
justice for all.
460
00:23:17,145 --> 00:23:19,648
At the time of
the Jam Master Jay situation,
461
00:23:19,648 --> 00:23:21,233
I was a journalist at MTV.
462
00:23:21,775 --> 00:23:24,945
And with Jay
we wasn't just going to leave it as,
463
00:23:25,153 --> 00:23:27,072
"it's another unsolved hip-hop crime."
464
00:23:27,739 --> 00:23:29,991
This was an opportunity to begin
to close the gap,
465
00:23:29,991 --> 00:23:32,077
between the urban communities
and law enforcement.
466
00:23:32,577 --> 00:23:34,454
But I knew it wasn't going to be easy.
467
00:23:34,746 --> 00:23:36,665
The police didn't seem to have
a murder weapon,
468
00:23:36,665 --> 00:23:39,918
fingerprints,
or any other substantial evidence.
469
00:23:39,918 --> 00:23:41,795
But that wasn't going to stop me.
470
00:23:42,295 --> 00:23:44,631
It was my personal mission,
471
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,592
where I felt I owed it to myself,
I owed it to the community.
472
00:23:47,968 --> 00:23:50,595
I even owed it to my family
and overall to this culture,
473
00:23:50,595 --> 00:23:53,181
to get to the bottom of what happened
to Jam Master Jay.
474
00:23:53,723 --> 00:23:56,560
I think he knew,
that something was going on.
475
00:23:58,019 --> 00:23:58,979
{\an8}Somethin's goin' on.
476
00:23:59,729 --> 00:24:00,564
{\an8}Cuz he kept,
477
00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:04,484
{\an8}you know it was like he was watching
his back so much, you know?
478
00:24:04,651 --> 00:24:06,027
The night of Jay's murder...
479
00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:07,612
Jay had a gun on him.
480
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,032
{\an8}Maybe he knew there was some conflict
that was coming his way.
481
00:24:11,408 --> 00:24:14,244
{\an8} One of Jay's childhood friends,
from the old Hollis neighborhood,
482
00:24:14,244 --> 00:24:17,831
{\an8}Ronald Tinard Washington,
said he was at the studio that day.
483
00:24:17,831 --> 00:24:19,791
Ronald Tinard Washington is my cousin.
484
00:24:19,791 --> 00:24:21,293
We all lived in the same block.
485
00:24:21,418 --> 00:24:23,962
{\an8}I heard Tinard was staying
at Jason's mother's house on two third,
486
00:24:23,962 --> 00:24:26,173
{\an8}with Bonita cuz he didn't really have
no where to stay.
487
00:24:26,173 --> 00:24:28,300
{\an8}And again,
that was the kindness in Jay's heart.
488
00:24:29,342 --> 00:24:32,679
According to Tinard,
Jay gave him $200 to go buy bullets.
489
00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:34,097
Tinard also claims that,
490
00:24:34,097 --> 00:24:36,683
"Jay was scared,"
and "he wanted protection."
491
00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:40,520
The day of the murder,
Jay's group 'Rusty Waters'
492
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,148
was in the studio,
preparing to go on tour...
493
00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:49,112
♪ When ya double down boy
You gonna owe me twice than that ♪
494
00:24:49,404 --> 00:24:51,364
Let me do it again, let me do it again.
495
00:24:52,699 --> 00:24:53,867
My name is Rodney Jones.
496
00:24:54,034 --> 00:24:55,285
I'm Jason's nephew.
497
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:59,164
My Uncle Jay was making
the beats for me and my group.
498
00:24:59,289 --> 00:25:00,790
{\an8}And we was about to come out.
499
00:25:00,790 --> 00:25:03,835
{\an8}It was me and Jay's home boy,
this guy named Randy.
500
00:25:04,586 --> 00:25:08,173
{\an8} Jay had JMJ Records
and he brought Randy Allen on,
501
00:25:08,298 --> 00:25:10,300
{\an8}as his partner, in his business.
502
00:25:11,134 --> 00:25:13,595
They went on to create a label,
503
00:25:14,054 --> 00:25:16,014
of their own
and one of the groups that they signed
504
00:25:16,014 --> 00:25:18,934
to the label that was distributed through
Virgin Records was Rusty Waters.
505
00:25:19,809 --> 00:25:23,355
Randy and his nephew were actually,
the members of the group.
506
00:25:24,731 --> 00:25:26,650
Me and Jay was talkin' for a little bit
507
00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:29,778
and I asked him to give me some money
and he was like,"Well you got some money,
508
00:25:29,778 --> 00:25:32,197
you gotta go find Randy
and you'll get your money."
509
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,242
I got with Randy on Jamaica Avenue,
510
00:25:35,242 --> 00:25:37,786
and then we went to the barber shop,
to get my hair cut,
511
00:25:38,286 --> 00:25:40,580
and he left took my bags back
to the studio.
512
00:25:41,706 --> 00:25:44,960
To get up to Jay's Studio,
you get buzzed through the front door,
513
00:25:45,293 --> 00:25:47,045
you go up a long staircase,
514
00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:49,130
then down a long hallway.
515
00:25:53,134 --> 00:25:56,805
When you walk in the door of the studio
to your left is a reception area,
516
00:25:57,222 --> 00:26:00,517
straight ahead is a lounge area
and behind it is the control room.
517
00:26:01,601 --> 00:26:04,354
Inside of the control room,
you have Randy Allen,
518
00:26:04,646 --> 00:26:08,733
Mike B, and you had an aspiring,
female recording artist at the time.
519
00:26:08,942 --> 00:26:11,194
Mike B was a friend of Hollis,
you know what I mean?
520
00:26:11,486 --> 00:26:13,029
Everybody knew him. Jokester.
521
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,155
Cool dude.
522
00:26:14,864 --> 00:26:15,865
Mike B was a rapper
523
00:26:15,865 --> 00:26:18,201
and I believe he was managed
by Randy and Jay.
524
00:26:19,452 --> 00:26:20,495
And he was a friend.
525
00:26:21,496 --> 00:26:23,707
In this main room you had a couch.
526
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,041
There was a TV.
527
00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:28,628
And you had Jam Master Jay
and Tony Rincon,
528
00:26:28,795 --> 00:26:30,797
who were seated playing video games.
529
00:26:31,715 --> 00:26:34,968
Jay was closer to the door
and reportedly had a gun close to him.
530
00:26:35,343 --> 00:26:37,887
Tony was sitting next to him
farther from the door.
531
00:26:38,555 --> 00:26:40,682
{\an8} Tony Rincon was a dude
in the neighborhood,
532
00:26:41,182 --> 00:26:43,184
{\an8}not from Hollis,
he was from Flushing, Queens.
533
00:26:43,768 --> 00:26:44,811
{\an8}He was a car sitter.
534
00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:47,355
So when Jay would go into Manhattan,
he would snatch him up,
535
00:26:47,355 --> 00:26:50,066
so he could sit in the car while Jay
ran upstairs and see his lawyer.
536
00:26:50,066 --> 00:26:52,152
So he could double park, without parking.
537
00:26:52,444 --> 00:26:53,653
That's what Tony was.
538
00:26:53,653 --> 00:26:56,197
Wasn't a gangster, wasn't a fighter,
none of that.
539
00:26:56,531 --> 00:26:59,576
So it couldn't have been a worse person
in that studio than him because,
540
00:26:59,576 --> 00:27:01,369
he is a coward, at the end of the day.
541
00:27:01,953 --> 00:27:04,414
The reception desk is usually
where Lydia High sat.
542
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:06,499
She was the office manager.
543
00:27:07,042 --> 00:27:08,627
Randy Allen is her brother,
544
00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:11,713
her and Randy were really good friends
with Jay, like from childhood.
545
00:27:12,422 --> 00:27:14,966
{\an8} Lydia was a good girl.
Nice girl, pleasant attitude.
546
00:27:15,550 --> 00:27:17,427
No-- Very quiet, introverted.
547
00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:25,727
That night, they were talkin'
about the itinerary
548
00:27:25,727 --> 00:27:27,562
for the next couple of days,
549
00:27:27,562 --> 00:27:30,482
in regards to, what he was doing,
his DJ spots.
550
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:32,692
{\an8}Lydia was right across from him.
551
00:27:33,818 --> 00:27:36,905
And some guy came right in, dark clothing.
552
00:27:37,155 --> 00:27:39,824
She said she didn't see
a good look at him, he had the...
553
00:27:40,033 --> 00:27:41,201
hood up, you know.
554
00:27:42,118 --> 00:27:43,912
There was a brief conversation,
555
00:27:44,412 --> 00:27:46,164
and it was a little heated.
556
00:27:47,415 --> 00:27:48,750
She tried to run out
557
00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:51,294
and there was a second individual
at the doorway,
558
00:27:51,294 --> 00:27:53,922
with a gun,
who told her to get on the floor.
559
00:27:55,006 --> 00:27:56,966
Tony said when they walked in,
560
00:27:56,966 --> 00:27:59,594
his phone rang, he reached down
to pick up his phone
561
00:27:59,594 --> 00:28:01,680
that supposedly fell between the couch.
562
00:28:02,263 --> 00:28:05,725
{\an8}My mother, just randomly,
she just happened to call me at that time
563
00:28:06,142 --> 00:28:08,269
{\an8}and that's exactly
when everything happens.
564
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,522
I just hear Jay say,
565
00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:11,773
Oh f--
566
00:28:11,773 --> 00:28:14,901
I heard the shot
and that's when I got hit in my leg.
567
00:28:16,569 --> 00:28:19,155
Like, you hear one shot
that you don't know what it is.
568
00:28:19,155 --> 00:28:22,117
And then you hear a shot and you go,
"oh that was a shot."
569
00:28:22,242 --> 00:28:23,702
And then you hear screaming,
570
00:28:23,868 --> 00:28:27,497
and then you just hear
a bunch of stomping.
571
00:28:27,831 --> 00:28:29,332
I'm in the room with two people.
572
00:28:29,332 --> 00:28:31,835
I'm in there with Mike B and the girl
and they hear the shot
573
00:28:31,835 --> 00:28:33,420
and they're jumpin' all over everything
574
00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:35,171
and I'm trying to get to the door...
575
00:28:35,171 --> 00:28:36,840
because Lydia and Jay is there.
576
00:28:37,841 --> 00:28:39,092
So I'm running out,
577
00:28:39,926 --> 00:28:43,972
and once I get the door open,
I see, you know, I see Jay layin' there,
578
00:28:45,765 --> 00:28:48,309
I see my sister laid out, like,
on the floor,
579
00:28:48,309 --> 00:28:50,854
scared to pick her head up 'cause
she don't know who's still in the room.
580
00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,109
I walk out of the barbershop,
581
00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:58,027
and I'm standing on the corner,
582
00:28:58,027 --> 00:29:00,989
and Mike B runs to me
and he starts telling me
583
00:29:00,989 --> 00:29:02,574
that they shootin' in the studio.
584
00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:05,660
Then when I got up in there,
585
00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:07,287
I looked this way, um,
586
00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:10,206
Lydia was on the floor over there,
587
00:29:10,623 --> 00:29:13,042
screamin', like, somewhere in this area.
588
00:29:13,042 --> 00:29:15,670
Either on this side of that medium
or on this side.
589
00:29:16,337 --> 00:29:17,255
She was over here.
590
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,675
Jay was kind of like,
591
00:29:22,218 --> 00:29:23,344
like, right here.
592
00:29:24,804 --> 00:29:27,223
His head was up there
and his feet was down here.
593
00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:30,185
I kicked Jay, tryna to wake him up.
594
00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:33,605
And then I turned around and I left
595
00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:36,399
and by the time I got down the stairs
of the studio...
596
00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:39,068
the police, like the precinct,
was coming in
597
00:29:39,068 --> 00:29:41,905
and they like rush me back all the way up
to the top of the stairs
598
00:29:41,905 --> 00:29:43,531
and back in front of the studio.
599
00:29:43,907 --> 00:29:47,577
One witness was taken to the hospital.
Everybody else was brought back here.
600
00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:50,663
The male shooter? Not known to anybody.
601
00:29:51,122 --> 00:29:54,042
{\an8}When I heard about the crime,
the first thing I told...
602
00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:57,253
{\an8}my people to look into was,
"what about the cameras?"
603
00:29:58,087 --> 00:29:59,589
When I became the studio manager,
604
00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:03,009
I had security cameras installed
after speaking with Randy and Jay.
605
00:30:04,719 --> 00:30:07,430
There was one when you come up to
the main door downstairs,
606
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:08,598
you buzz the door.
607
00:30:08,598 --> 00:30:11,476
There's one camera here,
that looks at you from the side.
608
00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:12,977
And so you can see who it is.
609
00:30:13,561 --> 00:30:15,438
So we can record people
that got buzzed in.
610
00:30:15,438 --> 00:30:17,315
And what it would do, is re-record.
611
00:30:17,774 --> 00:30:20,401
And re-record,
every 24 hours it would re-record.
612
00:30:20,735 --> 00:30:22,529
And we would go in there
and we would check it,
613
00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:25,281
from time to time to make sure it was
working properly and everything.
614
00:30:25,406 --> 00:30:28,785
That was my first instinct,
was to call my people and like...
615
00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:31,162
um, tell 'em to look at the cameras.
616
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:36,626
When we went to go
and take that tape and view it,
617
00:30:37,335 --> 00:30:38,586
it was an old tape.
618
00:30:39,629 --> 00:30:41,631
It showed... it looked like springtime.
619
00:30:41,756 --> 00:30:43,424
Because that day was a miserable,
620
00:30:43,591 --> 00:30:45,385
cloudy, cold day.
621
00:30:46,219 --> 00:30:48,054
You know, the date was off,
everything was off.
622
00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:50,515
He didn't have the right times
or dates on there.
623
00:30:51,266 --> 00:30:52,892
Somebody took the tape out so...
624
00:30:53,643 --> 00:30:55,520
now we don't know who rung the bell.
625
00:30:56,813 --> 00:30:59,357
But somebody knows somethin'
cuz they buzzed them up.
626
00:31:01,401 --> 00:31:04,153
Lydia High was the office manager
at Jay's studio.
627
00:31:04,153 --> 00:31:07,532
An anonymous cop said that,
"She buzzed in the killers."
628
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:09,909
She wouldn't have buzzed up
someone she didn't know,
629
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:13,079
so, it's likely that Jay's killers were
people that Jay knew.
630
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,874
At the time I was like,
"Nobody says nothing?"
631
00:31:16,499 --> 00:31:17,709
It's either one of two things:
632
00:31:17,709 --> 00:31:19,627
{\an8}either they scared
or they hiding something.
633
00:31:20,003 --> 00:31:22,088
{\an8}One of two things,
that's all it could be.
634
00:31:22,297 --> 00:31:25,383
Here's the irony of it all,
Jason put his life on the line,
635
00:31:25,383 --> 00:31:26,676
for others, right?
636
00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:28,344
In the end,
637
00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:31,973
it's not being reciprocated
because ain't nobody telling the truth.
638
00:31:32,223 --> 00:31:33,224
That's messed up.
639
00:31:33,349 --> 00:31:36,603
But that's typical,
of people in that environment,
640
00:31:36,603 --> 00:31:37,812
where I came from.
641
00:31:40,064 --> 00:31:41,566
The witnesses was scared.
642
00:31:42,942 --> 00:31:44,736
Immediately following Jay's murder,
643
00:31:44,736 --> 00:31:49,073
one of the theories that hit the streets,
was that, Jay had got caught up in a beef,
644
00:31:49,073 --> 00:31:52,785
{\an8}between a prominent New York City,
drug lord and Jay's former protege,
645
00:31:52,785 --> 00:31:53,912
50 Cent.
646
00:31:55,663 --> 00:31:58,666
There was a theory that Jay's murder,
was due to people,
647
00:31:58,666 --> 00:32:00,376
who was really out to get 50 Cent.
648
00:32:01,336 --> 00:32:04,964
50's earlier days
carry a lot of controversial baggage.
649
00:32:05,131 --> 00:32:07,675
As a child hustler, he would run
throughout the streets,
650
00:32:07,675 --> 00:32:10,303
of Southside, Queens,
that was run by a notorious,
651
00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:12,555
{\an8}drug kingpin,
Kenneth "Supreme" McGriff,
652
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,016
{\an8}and Preme's second-in-command
Gerald "Prince" Miller.
653
00:32:15,767 --> 00:32:19,187
A notorious crack, king-pin,
with ties to the music industry,
654
00:32:19,187 --> 00:32:20,897
now faces the death penalty.
655
00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:24,275
{\an8}Jurors have convicted,
Kenneth 'Supreme" McGriff,
656
00:32:24,609 --> 00:32:26,486
{\an8}for murder and drug dealing charges.
657
00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:29,280
Rap is very competitive.
658
00:32:29,447 --> 00:32:31,699
And you know, at that time,
Murder Inc Records
659
00:32:31,699 --> 00:32:33,785
that also hails from outta Queens,
660
00:32:33,785 --> 00:32:35,495
was affiliated with Supreme.
661
00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:37,747
So after enjoying much success,
662
00:32:37,747 --> 00:32:40,541
50 released a very controversial record,
663
00:32:40,541 --> 00:32:44,045
that made references to a number
of prominent street figures,
664
00:32:44,045 --> 00:32:46,047
including Supreme and Prince.
665
00:32:46,506 --> 00:32:49,300
♪ When you hear talk of the Southside
You hear talk of the team ♪
666
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:51,970
♪ See niggas feared Prince
And respected 'Preme ♪
667
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:54,847
♪ For all you slow motherfuckers
I'ma break it down iller ♪
668
00:32:54,847 --> 00:32:57,308
{\an8}♪ See 'Preme was the business man
And Prince was the killer ♪
669
00:32:57,308 --> 00:32:58,434
{\an8}♪ Remember? ♪
670
00:33:00,728 --> 00:33:02,188
After this song came out,
671
00:33:02,313 --> 00:33:06,150
a couple prominent figures,
saw him as snitching,
672
00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:07,402
by mentioning their name.
673
00:33:07,819 --> 00:33:11,030
And then in addition,
50 was picking on Ja Rule.
674
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,575
And Supreme he was like a henchman,
675
00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:16,452
for Murder Inc.
676
00:33:16,577 --> 00:33:18,579
And they were trying
to tell 50 to relax, calm down,
677
00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:20,540
leave him alone, and he didn't.
678
00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:23,626
That's why what happened to 50,
happened to him.
679
00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:26,254
{\an8}I walked over here,
to sit in the actual vehicle,
680
00:33:26,254 --> 00:33:29,298
{\an8}then my friend was waitin' for me
and a car pulled up,
681
00:33:30,091 --> 00:33:31,259
on the side of us,
682
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:35,054
a guy got outta the passenger seat
of that car and came around behind it,
683
00:33:35,346 --> 00:33:37,056
and shot through the actual car.
684
00:33:40,059 --> 00:33:42,854
The theory is that Supreme went after 50,
685
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:46,190
for Murder Inc.
and in the process could have potentially,
686
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:50,069
went after Jay because he was the one
who put him on the path to stardom.
687
00:33:52,196 --> 00:33:54,198
A lot of crazy rumors and ghetto gossip,
688
00:33:55,074 --> 00:33:56,534
{\an8}about ridiculous theories.
689
00:33:57,452 --> 00:33:59,787
{\an8}They love a juicy story,
they just ran with it.
690
00:33:59,954 --> 00:34:02,290
{\an8}But nobody ever
contacted me about it or...
691
00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:04,208
{\an8}asked if I wanted an opportunity,
692
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:05,626
to address the rumors.
693
00:34:05,626 --> 00:34:08,796
There was word that, you know,
you put 50 Cent on a blacklist.
694
00:34:09,797 --> 00:34:11,966
I never knew he was signed to Jay.
695
00:34:12,175 --> 00:34:13,593
I never knew he was signed to Jay.
696
00:34:15,762 --> 00:34:18,056
I mean,
I knew Jay's been messin' wit' him,
697
00:34:18,181 --> 00:34:20,475
or he was his prodigy,
but I didn't know nothin' about it,
698
00:34:20,475 --> 00:34:23,561
as far as his business ends,
or if he was signed to him or...
699
00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:25,688
or anything like that.
700
00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:27,732
Jay was cool.
701
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:31,486
I never had a beef wit' him.
Like, everythin' I know about Jay,
702
00:34:31,486 --> 00:34:34,489
is just like, just knowin'...
hearin' about him in the hood,
703
00:34:34,489 --> 00:34:36,157
you know what I'm sayin'?
And...
704
00:34:36,282 --> 00:34:38,910
Everything I knew about Jay was,
Jay was a cool dude.
705
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,162
And that's as far as it went, you know?
706
00:34:41,162 --> 00:34:43,539
When I would see him,
"what's up? what's up?"
707
00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:46,084
And that was it. Jay was a cool dude.
708
00:34:48,294 --> 00:34:51,422
I knew Supreme very well. I'm from Queens
and I hustled and I worked out there.
709
00:34:51,422 --> 00:34:53,382
He saw me.
And I'm a tell you somthin'...
710
00:34:53,382 --> 00:34:55,468
Supreme had a lot of love
and respect for Jay.
711
00:34:55,635 --> 00:34:56,469
You know?
712
00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:58,387
But their paths don't cross each other.
713
00:34:58,763 --> 00:35:02,141
And if they did they would just, you know,
hit each other and keep it pushin'.
714
00:35:03,142 --> 00:35:05,228
So that's again, they drawin' for straws.
715
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:09,440
With regards to the Supreme theory,
716
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,401
that was put to rest because the police
just didn't have any leads.
717
00:35:12,735 --> 00:35:15,571
{\an8}A new theory emerged involving
one-time friend Curtis Scoon,
718
00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:19,659
{\an8}that him and Jay had got into a beef
over a drug deal gone bad.
719
00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:24,413
{\an8}That's crazy.
720
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,458
Can you imagine that? Like, that's nuts.
721
00:35:28,543 --> 00:35:29,961
Jay didn't sell drugs.
722
00:35:30,419 --> 00:35:33,589
It's like, he was wit' me. I would have
seen that for a million percent sure.
723
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:34,924
Like, nah never.
724
00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:37,385
There was a lot of rumors out there
725
00:35:37,385 --> 00:35:39,345
that Jam Master Jay was a drug dealer.
726
00:35:39,345 --> 00:35:40,346
That's not true.
727
00:35:41,055 --> 00:35:43,224
Jay had kids, he had sons,
728
00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:45,852
he had a wife, he had a mother,
he had people that...
729
00:35:46,269 --> 00:35:48,104
that respected him and looked up to him.
730
00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:50,273
Why would he deal drugs?
731
00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:52,108
He was a DJ.
732
00:35:53,276 --> 00:35:55,069
He wasn't no drug dealer.
733
00:35:56,737 --> 00:36:01,075
You know, he might have sold some weed
to somebody but that's as far as it going.
734
00:36:01,826 --> 00:36:05,329
My initial reaction to the reports
of Jay's potential involvement,
735
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:07,540
within drug activity was shock,
736
00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:09,417
and it was disbelief.
737
00:36:09,876 --> 00:36:12,170
Over all, I knew
that this would overshadow,
738
00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:13,880
his greatness and his legacy.
739
00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:17,091
But as we attempted to dig
a little bit deeper into the theory,
740
00:36:17,091 --> 00:36:18,885
involving Curtis Scoon,
741
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:23,264
there was a personal side
of Jay's life that begin to reveal itself.
742
00:36:26,434 --> 00:36:28,019
It's hard to maintain being on top.
743
00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:30,354
You just gotta come with hit, after hit,
after hit,
744
00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:32,064
but it was just hard to maintain that.
745
00:36:33,399 --> 00:36:34,984
And he started feelin' the impact.
746
00:36:35,693 --> 00:36:37,695
Of not having money on his friends,
and his family,
747
00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:40,156
and his mother, and his sister,
and his brother.
748
00:36:40,907 --> 00:36:42,450
Of people that relied on him.
749
00:36:43,075 --> 00:36:45,328
And so he felt this need
to keep maintainin',
750
00:36:45,328 --> 00:36:46,871
and maintainin', and maintainin',
751
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:49,415
but Jason went into debt, like people do.
752
00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:54,128
He told me that he was in trouble
with the government.
753
00:36:54,128 --> 00:36:56,339
Uncle Sam wanted their money,
you know, taxes.
754
00:36:56,756 --> 00:36:57,840
They knocking on your door.
755
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,009
They talkin' bout taking your stuff,
your belongings,
756
00:37:00,009 --> 00:37:01,427
maybe sendin' you to jail.
757
00:37:01,427 --> 00:37:02,845
So, it's hard to think.
758
00:37:03,387 --> 00:37:04,513
One of da best MCs...
759
00:37:04,513 --> 00:37:07,016
His intention was just,
to keep going financially.
760
00:37:07,016 --> 00:37:08,267
...Sun will shine. For real.
761
00:37:08,267 --> 00:37:09,602
Hear me, feel me.
762
00:37:10,311 --> 00:37:11,395
Legend has spoken.
763
00:37:11,771 --> 00:37:13,814
There was no other alternative
after music,
764
00:37:13,814 --> 00:37:15,775
he had to revert back to what I know.
765
00:37:16,275 --> 00:37:17,109
You know?
766
00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:20,613
So, he reached out to me
and some other people
767
00:37:20,613 --> 00:37:22,114
because he knew
how we were livin'.
768
00:37:22,114 --> 00:37:24,242
He reached out to the people
that was doin' things,
769
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:25,993
that maybe
he could double up his money,
770
00:37:25,993 --> 00:37:27,912
or maybe he can, you know,
make some more money,
771
00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:30,248
some extra coin so that he can
take care of the government
772
00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:31,624
and take care of his people.
773
00:37:31,624 --> 00:37:34,961
{\an8}No matter what,
Jay's friends was Jay's friends.
774
00:37:35,878 --> 00:37:38,839
{\an8}They went to jail,
they were sellin' drugs, whatever.
775
00:37:38,839 --> 00:37:41,050
When they came home,
they was tryna do the same thing.
776
00:37:41,717 --> 00:37:42,927
Y'all don't know no different.
777
00:37:43,511 --> 00:37:45,805
So if I've lost everything, then,
778
00:37:46,097 --> 00:37:49,267
"Yo homie, wussup? Boom, boom, boom.
Gimme ten, lemme get my ten,
779
00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:50,685
get this ten and flip it"...
780
00:37:50,851 --> 00:37:52,561
Get your ten back.
781
00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:56,148
Plus give you another ten,
just for givin' it to me.
782
00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:57,984
You know, so...
783
00:37:59,026 --> 00:38:01,028
That's how Jay was with his peoples.
784
00:38:01,028 --> 00:38:02,655
So Jason invested, you know,
785
00:38:02,822 --> 00:38:05,074
and tried to double his money
and triple his money,
786
00:38:05,074 --> 00:38:07,576
like we would all do,
if we had that opportunity.
787
00:38:08,911 --> 00:38:11,789
{\an8}Jason, Curtis Scoon and myself
went to California,
788
00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:14,125
{\an8}with the intention of buying coke,
buying drugs,
789
00:38:14,417 --> 00:38:15,751
but it didn't work out like that.
790
00:38:15,751 --> 00:38:17,211
'Cause when Jay got to LA,
791
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:20,423
it was a plan B because the dude
he went to see wasn't there.
792
00:38:20,756 --> 00:38:22,675
Plan B was buying it
from someone else.
793
00:38:22,675 --> 00:38:23,884
Plan B never works.
794
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,554
Never! Okay?
795
00:38:26,929 --> 00:38:29,682
Plan B never works,
in these kinds of businesses.
796
00:38:30,808 --> 00:38:34,020
When Jason went to that somebody else,
he got set up for $30,000.
797
00:38:35,229 --> 00:38:36,522
So we were out of $30,000.
798
00:38:36,731 --> 00:38:37,732
The theory was,
799
00:38:37,732 --> 00:38:41,110
as a result of us gettin', you know,
having that incident in California.
800
00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:43,821
That Scoon got upset.
He felt like Jay owed him some money.
801
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,991
I remember after Jay's murder.
802
00:38:47,658 --> 00:38:49,035
Randy looked right at me,
803
00:38:49,452 --> 00:38:52,913
and he said "Shake, the person that killed
your best friend and mine,
804
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:54,206
was Curtis Scoon.
805
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,795
But why would he kill Jay though?
806
00:38:59,795 --> 00:39:02,089
Like, you know, like Jay's an earner so,
807
00:39:02,089 --> 00:39:04,133
if you owe somebody five dollars,
808
00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:06,469
you... I mean and a person got a job,
809
00:39:06,469 --> 00:39:08,095
and especially his job,
810
00:39:08,262 --> 00:39:10,389
he can pay you five dollars.
So why would you kill...
811
00:39:10,389 --> 00:39:11,599
It don't make sense.
812
00:39:14,226 --> 00:39:16,062
Curtis Scoon's a good friend of mine,
813
00:39:16,062 --> 00:39:17,355
we grew up together, in Hollis.
814
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,939
Curtis Scoon was a businessman.
815
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:20,941
He was articulate. He was an entrepreneur.
816
00:39:21,859 --> 00:39:24,320
So most of his life
he just had businesses, small businesses,
817
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,114
he's grown businesses, made money,
real estate, things like that like.
818
00:39:27,114 --> 00:39:30,034
Like anybody else.
I spoke to Curtis a few times,
819
00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:32,495
about the fact
that he was a suspect in Jay's murder,
820
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:34,205
and he felt disrespected.
821
00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:38,209
All of Jason's friends,
are friends with me.
822
00:39:39,543 --> 00:39:42,296
At the funeral, Curtis asked me for a hug
823
00:39:42,296 --> 00:39:43,547
and I was like...
824
00:39:45,633 --> 00:39:48,219
I just hesitated,
even though that I knew him.
825
00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:49,678
But your name is out there,
826
00:39:49,678 --> 00:39:51,597
having something
to do with my brother's death.
827
00:39:51,597 --> 00:39:53,224
He said, "But you know what 'Nita?
828
00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:55,309
you probably
already hugged the killer."
829
00:39:57,645 --> 00:40:00,106
What I'ma say to that?
'Cause I probably did.
830
00:40:00,773 --> 00:40:03,943
If you ever saw Curtis Scoon,
he's a big man.
831
00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:06,237
He's very big, ve...
832
00:40:06,612 --> 00:40:07,488
Tall guy.
833
00:40:07,822 --> 00:40:10,741
The description of the perpetrator's
not that big.
834
00:40:11,158 --> 00:40:13,577
His photo was shown to the witnesses,
835
00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:16,122
from the insurance company
and from the studio,
836
00:40:16,622 --> 00:40:17,998
and nobody would ID him.
837
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:22,420
{\an8}It didn't work out for us
but we spent a lot of man hours,
838
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:25,714
tryna investigate,
that part of the dispute.
839
00:40:27,049 --> 00:40:29,176
Curtis Scoon eventually discussed
being named,
840
00:40:29,176 --> 00:40:31,595
as a suspect in the murder
of Jam Master Jay.
841
00:40:31,929 --> 00:40:33,431
He said that, and I quote,
842
00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:49,280
At that point, I'm thinking,
if Scoon is out as a suspect
843
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,240
but Randy is tryna finger Scoon,
844
00:40:51,407 --> 00:40:53,993
then Randy's behavior's
gotta be suspicious.
845
00:40:54,493 --> 00:40:57,830
If he has somethin' to do with the murder,
what the hell was his motivation?
846
00:40:58,914 --> 00:41:00,624
We uncovered a few possibilities.
847
00:41:01,792 --> 00:41:05,421
Randy and Jay had some type of insurance,
848
00:41:05,838 --> 00:41:07,465
that they shared amongst each other,
849
00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:10,050
you know, and in the wake of
one of their deaths,
850
00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:13,888
like, the other one had
some type of rights, to that insurance.
851
00:41:14,597 --> 00:41:18,100
An anonymous cop, involved in the case,
corroborated that claim.
852
00:41:18,726 --> 00:41:21,645
When asked what he had heard
about this supposed insurance policy,
853
00:41:21,645 --> 00:41:23,105
he said, and I quote,
854
00:41:27,902 --> 00:41:30,696
And when asked point-blank
if there was an insurance policy,
855
00:41:30,946 --> 00:41:32,239
he said yes.
856
00:41:34,158 --> 00:41:37,369
But that wasn't the only theory,
involving Randy Allen.
857
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,166
Jay started kind of talking about
the money situation with him and Randy,
858
00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:44,376
that he's like,
"Yo, Randy's fucking stealing from me."
859
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,338
I said, "Randy? Wait," I said,
"stealin' what?"
860
00:41:47,338 --> 00:41:48,881
He said, "He stealin' money from me,"
861
00:41:48,881 --> 00:41:50,799
he said, "he's fucking stealing
money from me,"
862
00:41:50,799 --> 00:41:52,510
he said, "he's been robbing me blind."
863
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:54,970
That's weird for somebody to say
I was stealing from Jay.
864
00:41:54,970 --> 00:41:57,431
That you were siphoning money out of Jay.
865
00:41:57,431 --> 00:41:58,557
Never.
866
00:41:58,766 --> 00:42:01,060
I can't imagine that, they were like this.
867
00:42:01,685 --> 00:42:04,855
To be involved with somebody like Jay...
868
00:42:05,147 --> 00:42:07,024
'Cause that's my homie
I gotta keep it real--
869
00:42:07,024 --> 00:42:10,653
- We know that.
- ...is very, very...
870
00:42:11,111 --> 00:42:12,112
hard.
871
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,741
Randy Allen was the best man
at his wedding, you know,
872
00:42:15,741 --> 00:42:17,535
he was really close with his kids.
873
00:42:17,785 --> 00:42:21,580
Randy and Jay were workin' on
other projects to go to the next level.
874
00:42:22,164 --> 00:42:25,793
He was working with Shakim
and Queen Latifah on some projects.
875
00:42:26,377 --> 00:42:30,089
He orchestrated the Rusty Waters thing,
where they got the deal through Virgin.
876
00:42:30,089 --> 00:42:32,174
They just got a million dollars
from Virgin records,
877
00:42:32,174 --> 00:42:33,759
why would they steal from each other?
878
00:42:33,759 --> 00:42:37,221
I don't necessarily believe that Randy
was takin' money outta Jay's pocket.
879
00:42:37,221 --> 00:42:39,056
I mean,
they were running a business together.
880
00:42:39,306 --> 00:42:42,268
- Money was never a thing--
- So much so, that you would be willing--
881
00:42:42,268 --> 00:42:43,686
We was never about to... you know,
882
00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:45,396
stealing any... We never had that problem.
883
00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:47,314
So much so, that you would be willing
to allow
884
00:42:47,314 --> 00:42:49,608
the family to look into
whatever they need to?
885
00:42:49,608 --> 00:42:51,318
Go ahead, you can look into everything.
886
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:54,071
From day one, I said, Randy ain't do it.
887
00:42:54,822 --> 00:42:56,073
Randy ain't no killer.
888
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,117
Him and Jay was close. Jay liked him.
889
00:42:58,701 --> 00:43:01,328
Jay loved him, actually,
he was his man, so...
890
00:43:02,121 --> 00:43:03,622
They had a good relationship.
891
00:43:03,914 --> 00:43:07,876
Put aside the business relationship,
put aside everything else.
892
00:43:07,876 --> 00:43:10,254
But he was he was Jay's son's godfather.
893
00:43:10,754 --> 00:43:13,173
One thing I can say about Randy,
he loved Jay.
894
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:14,758
He loved Jay like a brother.
895
00:43:14,758 --> 00:43:18,095
If you realize this story and you've been
investigating for a long time...
896
00:43:18,304 --> 00:43:20,389
It's a lot of mystery,
897
00:43:21,724 --> 00:43:23,100
hypothetical,
898
00:43:23,767 --> 00:43:25,144
speculation,
899
00:43:25,269 --> 00:43:26,395
nothing concrete.
900
00:43:26,395 --> 00:43:28,272
'Cause I wanna find out who did it.
901
00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:30,316
I don't wanna keep speculatin'
902
00:43:30,524 --> 00:43:34,194
and just thinking, you know,
I wanna know who actually did it.
903
00:43:35,446 --> 00:43:37,948
I don't believe that it's that hard,
904
00:43:38,115 --> 00:43:39,450
to really solve this case.
905
00:43:39,575 --> 00:43:41,744
You know, it is a number of really
compelling elements.
906
00:43:41,744 --> 00:43:44,246
But you know, these are elements that,
907
00:43:44,455 --> 00:43:46,832
you know, the police are responsible for.
908
00:43:47,708 --> 00:43:49,251
We're in a commercial district.
909
00:43:49,251 --> 00:43:51,253
There's gotta be cameras
all over Jamaica Avenue.
910
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:55,090
You know, that's what they do.
Especially in the commercial areas.
911
00:43:55,591 --> 00:43:58,093
{\an8}89th Avenue, Jamaica Avenue.
912
00:43:58,510 --> 00:44:00,679
{\an8}The precinct is right here,
the parking lot.
913
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:02,181
{\an8}You got Jamaica bus terminal.
914
00:44:02,348 --> 00:44:04,642
{\an8}If this was a bank robbery
or something like that.
915
00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:08,479
They'd zero in on a certain radius.
And they'd zero in on license plates
916
00:44:08,479 --> 00:44:10,689
and then that's how they'd be able
to pull up suspects.
917
00:44:13,233 --> 00:44:15,319
{\an8}I've never heard of anyone
looking into that.
918
00:44:15,903 --> 00:44:17,154
I've never heard of that.
919
00:44:17,529 --> 00:44:20,866
You know, when you think about it,
yes, there were a number of individuals,
920
00:44:20,866 --> 00:44:23,952
who was in the vicinity
of where this crime transpired,
921
00:44:24,453 --> 00:44:26,372
but again, they lost the trust,
922
00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:29,667
you know, of key people who was involved.
923
00:44:30,417 --> 00:44:33,545
They sort of alienated
the witnesses by bringin' them in cuffs,
924
00:44:33,545 --> 00:44:36,215
takin' 'em into the precints,
berating them, yellin' at them.
925
00:44:36,799 --> 00:44:38,342
{\an8}They didn't appreciate that
926
00:44:38,342 --> 00:44:40,594
{\an8}and they were kinda scared,
really fearful.
927
00:44:40,594 --> 00:44:43,263
There were a lot of tangibles that
had to be worked out these cases,
928
00:44:43,263 --> 00:44:46,183
that should've been.
The DA's office was called into it.
929
00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:49,561
They didn't provide the proper things,
930
00:44:49,561 --> 00:44:51,105
that they said they were going to do.
931
00:44:51,271 --> 00:44:52,773
Witness protection was one of them.
932
00:44:52,773 --> 00:44:55,609
They said that they were going to go out
and relocate some people.
933
00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:57,444
They were
gonna do a lot of different things,
934
00:44:57,444 --> 00:44:58,445
that they reneged on.
935
00:44:58,654 --> 00:45:01,156
And that kind of,
deterred a lot of the witnesses,
936
00:45:01,323 --> 00:45:04,034
from coming forward,
even getting involved in the case.
937
00:45:04,618 --> 00:45:06,829
{\an8}Two sources close to the case confirm
938
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:09,164
{\an8}that Lydia High was denied
witness protection.
939
00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:10,416
{\an8}You know, I saw,
940
00:45:10,416 --> 00:45:13,168
a reward put up by the NYPD was,
941
00:45:13,293 --> 00:45:17,047
you know, was under $10,000. I was like,
"This is what this man is worth.?"
942
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:21,385
You know, so it's like perception
means a lot, you know, and...
943
00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:25,097
it's like, if you're not gonna do it
any justice,
944
00:45:25,097 --> 00:45:27,808
in that manner, like,
just don't even attempt at all, you know?
945
00:45:27,808 --> 00:45:31,937
Just do your job, but don't insult
the man's legacy like that.
946
00:45:31,937 --> 00:45:35,607
And I know that those are specific things
that really bothered people,
947
00:45:35,607 --> 00:45:38,235
in this specific case of Jay,
948
00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:40,070
but that applies to everyone.
949
00:45:41,155 --> 00:45:43,532
There's definitely a perception within
the urban community,
950
00:45:43,532 --> 00:45:47,453
that we have a lack
of support that we see from, you know,
951
00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:50,622
the courts, the judicial system,
you know, and law enforcement.
952
00:45:51,749 --> 00:45:54,918
Had Jam Master Jay been
a police officer up there,
953
00:45:55,043 --> 00:45:57,671
{\an8}they woulda fuckin' arrested 20 people,
954
00:45:58,172 --> 00:46:01,592
{\an8}until somebody told them,
who the hell did it.
955
00:46:01,884 --> 00:46:03,635
There's no way you
woulda got away with that.
956
00:46:03,635 --> 00:46:06,388
You know what I mean? Think about it.
If he had been a police officer,
957
00:46:06,388 --> 00:46:08,640
and somebody came up there
and did that murder,
958
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,477
they woulda turned Queens upside down,
959
00:46:11,727 --> 00:46:16,148
until they actually found the people,
that did the homicide.
960
00:46:16,899 --> 00:46:18,817
And KRS-One has a song called,
961
00:46:18,817 --> 00:46:21,153
"If You Wanna Get Away With Murder,
Kill a Rapper."
962
00:46:21,820 --> 00:46:24,156
{\an8}The killing of somebody else
might be solved,
963
00:46:24,156 --> 00:46:26,784
{\an8}real quick or you know,
throughout the course of time,
964
00:46:26,784 --> 00:46:29,787
{\an8}but rappers and, and you know...
965
00:46:31,121 --> 00:46:32,748
{\an8}DJ's and stuff like that,
966
00:46:32,915 --> 00:46:34,917
{\an8}they never get solved.
Nobody wants to tell.
967
00:46:35,334 --> 00:46:40,547
♪ If ya wanna get away with murder
Kill a Rapper ♪
968
00:46:40,756 --> 00:46:44,092
As the months dragged into years
and Jay's killer remained on the loose,
969
00:46:44,218 --> 00:46:47,221
everyone's hopes began to fade
that we would ever get to the bottom
970
00:46:47,221 --> 00:46:49,306
of what happened on that terrible night.
971
00:46:52,726 --> 00:46:55,562
All the police would say is,
"The investigation is ongoing."
972
00:46:56,146 --> 00:46:58,941
For five years all we saw
were dead ends piling up.
973
00:46:59,149 --> 00:47:00,651
Motives, aah...
974
00:47:01,527 --> 00:47:02,986
I don't have any one motive that--
975
00:47:02,986 --> 00:47:05,572
Over the course of the years
when the case had looked
976
00:47:05,572 --> 00:47:07,783
like it was starting to become
just another cold case,
977
00:47:08,033 --> 00:47:09,660
Randy just took another route.
978
00:47:09,785 --> 00:47:12,454
When he started revealing information,
in hopes that it could,
979
00:47:12,454 --> 00:47:15,249
put some pressure,
possibly to apply to the police
980
00:47:15,249 --> 00:47:16,834
and eventually lead to an arrest.
981
00:47:17,835 --> 00:47:21,463
In 2007, he revealed what Lydia
had told the cops,
982
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,173
the night of the murder.
983
00:47:25,843 --> 00:47:26,885
Ronald Washington,
984
00:47:27,553 --> 00:47:30,848
was a guy that she looked face-to-face,
in his eyes...
985
00:47:31,306 --> 00:47:32,474
{\an8}-Right.
- So...
986
00:47:33,809 --> 00:47:35,811
{\an8}That alone to me...
987
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:38,397
{\an8}The cops should have reacted.
988
00:47:38,814 --> 00:47:41,775
{\an8} Tinard was the kind of person
that always stayed in jail.
989
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:43,402
I mean, his whole life.
990
00:47:43,861 --> 00:47:47,406
Tinard wasn't known as a drug dealer.
He's just known as a foul person.
991
00:47:48,156 --> 00:47:50,158
{\an8}That would fucking rob you
or anybody else,
992
00:47:50,158 --> 00:47:52,244
{\an8}like, that's just how he was known.
993
00:47:53,287 --> 00:47:55,664
{\an8} Ronald Tinard Washington
knew Jay since they were kids
994
00:47:55,664 --> 00:47:57,833
{\an8}and in the weeks
leading up to Jay's murder
995
00:47:57,833 --> 00:47:59,918
{\an8}had regular access to the studio.
996
00:48:00,586 --> 00:48:03,922
So could Tinard have a chance
to tamper with the security system.
997
00:48:04,631 --> 00:48:06,091
Let's go back to that night.
998
00:48:06,466 --> 00:48:08,594
{\an8} The night that Jason got killed,
999
00:48:08,886 --> 00:48:09,845
{\an8}that day...
1000
00:48:10,512 --> 00:48:12,806
Tinard went to see Jason in the studio.
1001
00:48:14,016 --> 00:48:16,476
While at the studio,
Tinard talked to Jay and said,
1002
00:48:16,476 --> 00:48:18,896
{\an8}"Jay sent him to go get bullets."
But did he?
1003
00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:21,607
Or was he placing himself at the scene,
1004
00:48:21,607 --> 00:48:24,276
in case someone had seen him
around the studio?
1005
00:48:24,735 --> 00:48:25,736
Following Jay's murder,
1006
00:48:25,736 --> 00:48:28,530
according to the police,
Tinard was a person of interest.
1007
00:48:29,489 --> 00:48:30,699
{\an8} When I was in jail,
1008
00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:33,493
{\an8}NYPD came to Arizona Prison and told me...
1009
00:48:33,952 --> 00:48:36,038
Tinard is one of the suspects,
Ronald Washington.
1010
00:48:38,123 --> 00:48:39,374
They didn't have any real facts,
1011
00:48:39,374 --> 00:48:41,209
but they said,
that they kinda lookin' at him.
1012
00:48:42,753 --> 00:48:45,505
Although a number of signs
pointed to Tinard's involvement
1013
00:48:45,505 --> 00:48:46,465
in Jay's killing,
1014
00:48:46,465 --> 00:48:48,550
immediately following Jay's death,
1015
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,887
he was never arrested
in the murder of Jam Master Jay.
1016
00:48:52,971 --> 00:48:54,598
With all due respect to the investigation,
1017
00:48:55,182 --> 00:48:59,311
not arresting Ronald Tinard Washington,
was just another leading example,
1018
00:48:59,311 --> 00:49:02,147
that caused a breakdown of trust,
1019
00:49:02,397 --> 00:49:04,983
between the police
and the urban community.
1020
00:49:04,983 --> 00:49:06,860
Specifically within Hollis.
1021
00:49:07,694 --> 00:49:09,988
Street Justice had taken on
a life of its own,
1022
00:49:09,988 --> 00:49:13,241
and Tinard's name specifically,
had been ringing bells.
1023
00:49:13,867 --> 00:49:17,371
Somebody felt they needed to take justice
into their own hands.
1024
00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:20,916
{\an8} Comin' from the hood,
you know the person that did it...
1025
00:49:22,209 --> 00:49:23,877
{\an8}You ain't got a lot of choices.
1026
00:49:25,545 --> 00:49:27,547
If you don't kill this mother fucker...
1027
00:49:28,131 --> 00:49:31,134
or you gonna testify
and say that's who killed him.
1028
00:49:31,718 --> 00:49:32,928
You only got A and B.
1029
00:49:33,303 --> 00:49:36,556
Ain't no C where you just let
that mother fucker just walk away.
1030
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:38,976
And just whistle down the fucking street.
1031
00:49:39,393 --> 00:49:40,978
Following Jay's murder,
1032
00:49:40,978 --> 00:49:43,480
there were reports
that Tinard had been shot at,
1033
00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:45,774
and he made his way out of town.
1034
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:48,860
And the police, basically,
1035
00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:51,613
squandered their opportunity
to close in on him.
1036
00:49:53,031 --> 00:49:55,909
A few weeks after Tinard fled,
police arrested him.
1037
00:49:58,412 --> 00:49:59,955
Following Jay's death,
1038
00:50:00,163 --> 00:50:03,834
Tinard was arrested on a number
of robbery charges that took place,
1039
00:50:04,084 --> 00:50:05,002
stretching from,
1040
00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:07,796
Hollis all the way to Long Island.
1041
00:50:08,171 --> 00:50:11,425
Er... He was brought up
on federal charges,
1042
00:50:11,633 --> 00:50:13,301
he was convicted of those charges.
1043
00:50:14,928 --> 00:50:17,014
And then he sat in jail for five years,
1044
00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:18,890
until he was eventually sentenced.
1045
00:50:19,266 --> 00:50:22,561
At the time, we in the community
didn't know what the police knew,
1046
00:50:23,353 --> 00:50:25,022
but then in 2007,
1047
00:50:25,897 --> 00:50:28,233
when he was finally sentenced
for those other crimes,
1048
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,153
the prosecution in an attempt
to beef up the sentence,
1049
00:50:31,486 --> 00:50:34,740
wrote a letter to the judge
that outlined Tinard's criminal past.
1050
00:50:36,324 --> 00:50:39,661
There was references made
to the Jam Master Jay murder
1051
00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:42,956
Tinard had been confiding
in a female friend,
1052
00:50:42,956 --> 00:50:46,626
about his involvement
in the murder of Jam Master Jay.
1053
00:50:46,793 --> 00:50:50,714
Not as the trigger man,
but that he was present at the scene.
1054
00:50:51,131 --> 00:50:53,467
So if he was there,
he's a part of the murder.
1055
00:50:54,426 --> 00:50:57,888
Right, so then there ain't no mystery.
We got one suspect, booked.
1056
00:50:58,805 --> 00:51:00,348
{\an8} The judge dismissed the letter
1057
00:51:00,348 --> 00:51:03,685
{\an8}but still sentenced Tinard to 17 years,
under federal charges.
1058
00:51:05,145 --> 00:51:06,772
Tinard himself did an interview
1059
00:51:06,772 --> 00:51:09,149
and gave his account
of what happened on that night.
1060
00:51:10,025 --> 00:51:11,401
According to Tinard,
1061
00:51:11,401 --> 00:51:13,153
he was on his way back to the studio,
1062
00:51:13,153 --> 00:51:14,404
when he heard the shots.
1063
00:51:14,404 --> 00:51:16,823
{\an8}He then saw a friend leaving,
from the neighborhood,
1064
00:51:17,157 --> 00:51:20,035
{\an8}Lil D and his father Big D,
leaving the studio.
1065
00:51:20,535 --> 00:51:23,580
{\an8}Lil D is an aspiring rapper
and aspiring artist.
1066
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:26,792
Very respected, you know, in the streets.
1067
00:51:26,792 --> 00:51:29,127
I was kinda always a musical nigga, like,
1068
00:51:29,127 --> 00:51:31,088
{\an8}you know my pops used to run DEF JAM,
1069
00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:32,714
{\an8}back in the days with him, you know?
1070
00:51:32,714 --> 00:51:34,132
{\an8}So, I was always around it.
1071
00:51:34,508 --> 00:51:36,510
{\an8}The, Run-DMC's...
1072
00:51:37,135 --> 00:51:40,514
Big D played a pretty important role,
1073
00:51:40,972 --> 00:51:44,434
in Run-DMC's career,
in the earlier stages.
1074
00:51:44,643 --> 00:51:47,354
So he knew Jay, he knew Run, he knew D.
1075
00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:50,273
Later on the night of the murder,
1076
00:51:50,273 --> 00:51:52,943
Tinard said that Little D told him,
quote, unquote,
1077
00:51:53,235 --> 00:51:55,529
{\an8}"My pops wasn't supposed to shoot Jay."
1078
00:51:56,279 --> 00:51:58,740
Big D and Jay,
were like, cousins.
1079
00:51:58,907 --> 00:52:00,659
He lived right across the street from Jay.
1080
00:52:01,076 --> 00:52:03,245
Their whole life. They was always friends.
1081
00:52:03,662 --> 00:52:06,581
Big D and Jay got love for each other.
That's like family.
1082
00:52:07,249 --> 00:52:10,502
I'm telling you, Big D and Jay,
are like family.
1083
00:52:11,294 --> 00:52:13,964
{\an8}They was cool with Jay.
Like, Big D was cool with Jay.
1084
00:52:13,964 --> 00:52:16,049
{\an8}Like, he used to work for Def Jam, like,
1085
00:52:16,424 --> 00:52:19,678
I just don't know man...
That right there is ridiculous.
1086
00:52:20,804 --> 00:52:22,597
{\an8} Tinard gave an interview
where he said,
1087
00:52:22,597 --> 00:52:24,307
{\an8}that three months before Jay's murder,
1088
00:52:24,307 --> 00:52:26,935
{\an8}him and Jay were involved
in a drug deal gone wrong.
1089
00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:30,689
Tinard alleges that Big D
was involved in the deal as well.
1090
00:52:31,648 --> 00:52:33,191
Jay somehow botched the deal
1091
00:52:33,191 --> 00:52:35,443
and they both owed a drug dealer,
from the Midwest,
1092
00:52:35,443 --> 00:52:37,696
named Uncle, $180,000.
1093
00:52:38,238 --> 00:52:41,032
In a interview,
Big D talks about Tinard's claim.
1094
00:52:41,741 --> 00:52:44,286
When asked why Tinard placed him
at the scene of the crime
1095
00:52:44,286 --> 00:52:45,787
he said, and I quote,
1096
00:52:54,129 --> 00:52:56,339
{\an8} Ronald Tinard had already said
in the paper that,
1097
00:52:56,339 --> 00:52:59,009
he wasn't involved
and he implicated two other people.
1098
00:52:59,009 --> 00:53:01,887
{\an8}I believe it's one of them.
Either Lil D or Big D.
1099
00:53:02,012 --> 00:53:04,055
{\an8} He's a fat liar.
1100
00:53:05,724 --> 00:53:08,393
{\an8}And because he a cop
he think he can't get dealt with.
1101
00:53:09,352 --> 00:53:10,228
He's wrong.
1102
00:53:11,855 --> 00:53:14,983
If he was not retired, I'd get him fired.
1103
00:53:15,192 --> 00:53:17,194
And if he keep talkin',
1104
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,570
the way he talkin',
1105
00:53:19,446 --> 00:53:20,864
I'm gonna get him wired.
1106
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:23,158
Break his jaw,
1107
00:53:23,825 --> 00:53:24,910
couple places.
1108
00:53:25,619 --> 00:53:29,497
He have to eat out of a straw
for next six, eight, nine months.
1109
00:53:30,123 --> 00:53:31,082
If he make it.
1110
00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:39,132
So he need to know what he talkin' about,
he need to shut up, really,
1111
00:53:39,549 --> 00:53:40,842
'cause if he don't...
1112
00:53:41,968 --> 00:53:43,428
Know what I'm sayin?
1113
00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:46,306
Things can happen.
1114
00:53:48,099 --> 00:53:50,435
It's possible that both Big D and Lil D
1115
00:53:50,435 --> 00:53:52,229
were involved
in some sort of beef with Jay.
1116
00:53:52,354 --> 00:53:53,813
But according to witnesses,
1117
00:53:54,147 --> 00:53:55,941
only two men entered the studio
1118
00:53:55,941 --> 00:53:59,152
and Lydia told police that the one
who held the gun to her head,
1119
00:53:59,152 --> 00:54:00,737
was Ronald Tinard Washington.
1120
00:54:01,446 --> 00:54:02,948
{\an8}So that leaves the question...
1121
00:54:03,323 --> 00:54:04,407
{\an8}who was the triggerman?
1122
00:54:05,742 --> 00:54:07,994
Randy Allen dropped another bombshell.
1123
00:54:08,245 --> 00:54:11,248
That his sister Lydia High
had revealed to the police,
1124
00:54:11,248 --> 00:54:14,376
that the gunman in Jay's murder,
had a tattoo on his neck.
1125
00:54:15,377 --> 00:54:16,878
Who killed Jam Master Jay?
1126
00:54:16,878 --> 00:54:19,714
Who shot the final bullet
that went into Jam Master Jay's skull?
1127
00:54:20,131 --> 00:54:21,967
If you got to place a bet. Big D or--
1128
00:54:21,967 --> 00:54:24,511
If I had to place a bet,
I would say Lil D.
1129
00:54:25,845 --> 00:54:28,932
{\an8}♪ I'm one of da best
Soon to be compared with some of da rest ♪
1130
00:54:28,932 --> 00:54:30,809
{\an8}♪ On the beat
Like dat thing in ya chest ♪
1131
00:54:30,809 --> 00:54:34,396
♪ If it stops I stop
Smoother than a Gucci shoe hi-top ♪
1132
00:54:35,355 --> 00:54:38,566
Derick Parker, I don't know
where he gets his information from...
1133
00:54:39,025 --> 00:54:41,111
Um, he is a former NYPD.
1134
00:54:41,653 --> 00:54:43,822
Maybe he knows somethin' I don't know.
I don't know.
1135
00:54:44,072 --> 00:54:46,658
When I heard Derrick Parker's revelation
1136
00:54:46,658 --> 00:54:50,412
on who he felt the assailants were
in this crime...
1137
00:54:51,037 --> 00:54:52,664
You know, my immediate reaction was,
1138
00:54:53,123 --> 00:54:54,833
how'd you come to that conclusion?
1139
00:54:55,166 --> 00:54:59,254
Lil D and Tinard, but that's speculation.
That's hearsay, that's word of mouth.
1140
00:54:59,421 --> 00:55:00,338
That's nothing.
1141
00:55:00,338 --> 00:55:02,090
It's just, in the wind.
1142
00:55:02,882 --> 00:55:04,884
A conviction cannot be based on hearsay.
1143
00:55:05,176 --> 00:55:08,221
{\an8}If it was a Little D or a little Kevin
or a little whatever.
1144
00:55:08,388 --> 00:55:10,432
{\an8}I don't know exactly
if it was that person yet.
1145
00:55:10,432 --> 00:55:13,143
But if the fingers are pointin'
at that person, then,
1146
00:55:13,143 --> 00:55:15,520
I think it's something
worth investigating.
1147
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,773
And if that's what's going on,
then I'm quite sure that,
1148
00:55:18,773 --> 00:55:20,900
the proper authorities,
will investigate it.
1149
00:55:22,027 --> 00:55:23,445
{\an8}Still, the case is still open.
1150
00:55:23,737 --> 00:55:26,698
{\an8}I mean every year, we try to work on it.
1151
00:55:26,698 --> 00:55:28,575
We get tips and we work on it.
1152
00:55:29,117 --> 00:55:29,951
Um...
1153
00:55:30,535 --> 00:55:31,369
so...
1154
00:55:31,494 --> 00:55:34,748
It's been really, really, really hard,
you know, 15 years.
1155
00:55:34,748 --> 00:55:38,001
And I think the reason,
that is still has such a...
1156
00:55:38,835 --> 00:55:42,005
a profound effect on me is
because of the fact that it's not solved.
1157
00:55:42,005 --> 00:55:44,174
It's 15 years! They have nobody.
1158
00:55:44,174 --> 00:55:46,509
I think if the people in Hollis,
trusted the cops more,
1159
00:55:46,676 --> 00:55:48,178
this would have been solved.
1160
00:55:48,553 --> 00:55:50,055
15 years already went by.
1161
00:55:51,348 --> 00:55:52,640
I'm waiting for that day.
1162
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:58,355
You're not supposed to be able
to commit a crime
1163
00:55:58,355 --> 00:56:00,106
and nobody be held accountable for it.
1164
00:56:01,733 --> 00:56:03,318
{\an8}Biggie Smalls was killed
1165
00:56:03,318 --> 00:56:06,404
{\an8}and he was being followed
by federal agents, for weeks.
1166
00:56:06,946 --> 00:56:08,448
{\an8}It's hard to understand that.
1167
00:56:10,784 --> 00:56:12,202
{\an8}Similarly wposition:50.00%,middle align:middle size:80.00% line:79.33%
over and over again,
that something had to change.
Similarly with Tupac.
1168
00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:15,455
{\an8}There's a number of high-profile,
unsolved murders,
1169
00:56:15,622 --> 00:56:18,666
{\an8}you know, from Mac Dre, to big L,
1170
00:56:19,167 --> 00:56:21,544
{\an8}to even, Stack Bundles.
1171
00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:25,840
{\an8}This is an epidemic
and we've seen this story,
1172
00:56:26,299 --> 00:56:27,717
{\an8}a lot of different times.
1173
00:56:28,134 --> 00:56:30,553
{\an8}The statistics and the data
speaks for itself.
1174
00:56:31,471 --> 00:56:33,515
{\an8}That's the shame in all this...
1175
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,642
The fact that it's still happening!
1176
00:56:36,476 --> 00:56:39,020
It's happenin' everyday
to young individuals,
1177
00:56:39,145 --> 00:56:41,189
who still have their life
ahead of 'em.
1178
00:56:42,232 --> 00:56:46,276
♪ Clap ya hands everybody
Everybody clap ya hands ♪
1179
00:56:46,277 --> 00:56:47,862
♪ To the people in the back... ♪
1180
00:56:48,029 --> 00:56:50,323
When you have a figure like,
1181
00:56:50,782 --> 00:56:51,950
Jam Master Jay,
1182
00:56:52,117 --> 00:56:55,578
this is a person,
who has millions of fans.
1183
00:56:55,745 --> 00:56:59,624
He's looked at as the guy who made it out.
He gives a sense of hope,
1184
00:57:00,417 --> 00:57:01,334
and...
1185
00:57:01,709 --> 00:57:03,169
we like to take care of our people,
1186
00:57:03,378 --> 00:57:06,547
you know, and we expect other people
to take care of our people.
1187
00:57:06,548 --> 00:57:10,802
So right now we feel like,
our peoples aren't being taken care of.
1188
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:15,265
He would share, anything that he had.
1189
00:57:15,473 --> 00:57:16,391
Nothing was too...
1190
00:57:17,016 --> 00:57:19,686
good for him, that he couldn't give it to
somebody else.
1191
00:57:20,353 --> 00:57:22,396
That's the way I brought him up,
you know?
1192
00:57:22,397 --> 00:57:23,314
It was...
1193
00:57:23,606 --> 00:57:24,440
Love.
1194
00:57:24,441 --> 00:57:25,692
It was love.
1195
00:57:26,401 --> 00:57:29,028
That's all that I can say about it.
It was love. Yeah.